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#1
this question is purely just a historical question. The first Anastasimatarion of Ioannis when was it published also when did Ioannis live? His anastasimatarion is supposedly based of petros lambadarios but it’s vastly different than Ephesios which is also based on petros. These differences are the just exegesis of the old nation? Is Ioannis just a colored version of Ephesios? What’s the main timeline for these classical books and why did Ioannis anastasimatarion become more prevalent than the one of Ephesios
 

Dimitri

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#2
Lots have been written about this topic in the Greek section of Psaltologion for instance here and the parent topic. I don't have an English reference handy right now unfortunately. The differences are not just different exegesis, they are different traditions of chanting certain pieces.
 
#3
Lots have been written about this topic in the Greek section of Psaltologion for instance here and the parent topic. I don't have an English reference handy right now unfortunately. The differences are not just different exegesis, they are different traditions of chanting certain pieces.
So there’s nothing in English explaining this. My Greek is very bad
 

zoslen

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#4
Petros from Efessos transcribed Anastasimatarion directly from Petro's Peloponisios manuscripts, it is a direct exegesis. Petros Peloponisios died at around 1777, Petros Efessios published his Anastasimatarion at 1821.
Ioannis lived at 1800-1866, his Anastasimatarion is based on Petros, that means that he used the same "yfos", the same principles when writting. There are Anastasimataria completely different, like Daniel's, or Koulida's or Chrysafi's. Ioannis copied the style, the way Petros created the melodical lines, but everything else is his own, he is creating music, he is not trying to copy Petros or colour him. Ioannis publishes his Anastasimatarion at around 1865.
I think the main reason why his Anastasimatarion was the most prevalent was the fact that it was the one that published by Ioannis and his son the most. Efesisos' Anastasimatarion didn't published again, so it wasn't available in the bookstores, while Ioannis and his familly did lots of publications, so it was really easy to find it.
 
#5
Petros from Efessos transcribed Anastasimatarion directly from Petro's Peloponisios manuscripts, it is a direct exegesis. Petros Peloponisios died at around 1777, Petros Efessios published his Anastasimatarion at 1821.
Ioannis lived at 1800-1866, his Anastasimatarion is based on Petros, that means that he used the same "yfos", the same principles when writting. There are Anastasimataria completely different, like Daniel's, or Koulida's or Chrysafi's. Ioannis copied the style, the way Petros created the melodical lines, but everything else is his own, he is creating music, he is not trying to copy Petros or colour him. Ioannis publishes his Anastasimatarion at around 1865.
I think the main reason why his Anastasimatarion was the most prevalent was the fact that it was the one that published by Ioannis and his son the most. Efesisos' Anastasimatarion didn't published again, so it wasn't available in the bookstores, while Ioannis and his familly did lots of publications, so it was really easy to find it.
So is Ioannis anastasimatarion different because he rewrote the music. He used the same thesis and style of writing but he changed the music to his own?
 

zoslen

Βύρων Αναγνωστόπουλος
#6
Yes, his synthesis are not exegesis of Petros, they are inspired by him but they are original as a synthesis, the same goes for Konstantinos' Anastasimatarion that published the same year (1863-5).
Also Keep in mind that in Efessios Anastasimatarion many troparia are composed by "exegites", because Petros hadn't written them down. These are usually short troparia like "kathismata", or "apolytikia", while Ioannis included almost everything in his book.
 
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