Mr. Nassis,
You state here (
http://www.psaltologion.com/showpost.php?p=82618&postcount=65): " The Anti-Kara Acolytes, The Anti-Kara Heretics, The Anti-Kara Conspiracy, The Anti-Kara Atheists, The Anti-Kara Satanists, The Anti-Kara Disciples, The Anti-Kara Byzantine Music Destroyers."
First, you are free to label ME any way you want. Personally, I don't mind either of those labels. Go ahead and use them.
But before you use any labels, please have the courtesy to define them. I have already defined my intent when I use the term "heretic" and "heresy" and you evidently still don't understand it.
Once again, I use the term in the strict non-religious sense to describe a person and a movement whose views are not part of the mainstream and the consensus. That the term can, and has been used, and is currently being used in a non-religious context and without religious implications has already been defined in many earlier posts (do you want to be reminded?).
Now, even though I have no problem with your labels used on me, let's look at some of the implications of those labels you suggest:
1) "anti-Karas acolytes": By using the word "acolyte" you allude to a movement or a leader, but you do not offer the reader a glimpse into who you define the leader to be. Who do you define as the leader of the "anti-Karas acolytes"? The Church of Greece which has issued two edicts? The consensus of psaltae in Greece who do not follow the Karas theories? 60+ years of audio witness in which one cannot even find a hint of anything Karas-inspired?
2) "anti-Karas heretics": By using the work heretic to label those who do not follow the Karas method, you are describing the CONSENSUS and MAINSTREAM psaltae and psaltic practice world-wide. This is a non-sequitur Mr. Nassis! How is it possible, on a logical and rational basis, that the MAINSTREAM and the CONSENSUS is at the same time an outlier and outside the consensus? Did you not carefully consider this phrase on fundamental logic? Perhaps you should consult with someone expert in set theory to help you see the serious flaw in your logic here....
3) "the anti-Karas conspiracy": A conspiracy is defined as "an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others" (I assume you mean this and not a criminal conspiracy!). Well, Mr. Nassis, there are no hidden agendas among those, including the Church of Greece, who have spoken against and presented evidence against the Karas methods and interpretations. Everything has been laid out in the open in letters and edicts and publicly available. One could argue that the Karas method is a conspiracy (intent to mislead, deceive and defraud) as it presents untenable hypotheses by facts and history.
4) "anti-Karas atheists": Well, you cannot know the faith and spirit and belief of those who argue against the Karas theories Mr. Nassis. If you have evidence that one or more individuals worldwide who have spoken and presented arguments that do not support the Karas hypothesis are "atheists" (defined as not believing in the existence of a deity) then you had better present that information about who is an atheist.
5) "anti-Karas Satanists". In line with the above, can you present evidence that one or more individuals arguing against the Karas hypothesis are engaged in the systematic worship of Satan?
6) "anti-Karas disciples" (see point 1 above, since disciple can be synonymous with acolyte)
7) "anti-Kara Byzantine Music destroyers". Here, we have to find a consensus on what we mean and agree on as the meaning for "Byzantine Music". Unless we define this term, we cannot consider anything more.....
Having said this, please use any labels so long as they are logical and have a rational basis. And any label you choose to use, PLEASE DEFINE IT FIRST.
Now,
You further state: "Please continue to elevate the level of discourse on this forum, secure true academic discussions"
Indeed, in the interest of academic discussion, For the THIRTEENTH TIME, I ask you to answer these questions:
(see here:
http://www.psaltologion.com/showpost...22&postcount=3
AND here:
http://www.psaltologion.com/showpost...83&postcount=5
AND here:
http://www.psaltologion.com/showpost...87&postcount=7
AND here:
http://www.psaltologion.com/showpost...3&postcount=43
AND here:
http://www.psaltologion.com/showpost...2&postcount=37)
Post the fractions that corresponds to these intervals published in Karas' two-tome theory:
see here:
http://www.psaltologion.com/showpost...9&postcount=78)
NG