Στιχηράριο Paris. gr. 261

Daidalos

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Gr. 261

1400 • Complete Sticherarion with Byzantine round notation of Cyprus (Menaion ff. 1r-139r; Triodion ff. 141r-179r; Ἀκολουθία τῶν παθῶν ff. 179r-196v; Pentekostarion ff. 196v-218r) and Oktoechos (stichera anastasima ff. 218r-218v; stichera alphavetika ff. 218v-220v; stichera anatolika with ainous ff. 220v-235r; Anavathmoi 235r-240r; 11 stichera heothina ff. 240r-245v; stichera prosomoia ff. 245v- 253v; stichera dogmatika ff. 253v-258r).
 
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Daidalos

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Dear Emmanouil Giannopoulos

I read it, but I fear it is a misreading. Did you find a date with the kolophon?

I found a much later one, but it was made by an additional hand and I understood that the early datation refers to the same folio. But at the real end of the menaion there is a kolophon of another hand (f. 139r). In any case I found this datation not very trustworthy.


Please enlighten me, if you think that I am wrong.
 
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Emmanouil Giannopoulos

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I didn't consult the ms.

Astruc Ch., Les manuscrits Grecs datés des XIIIe et XIVe siècles conservés dans les bibliothèques publiques de France. I. XIIIe siècle, Paris 1989, p. 57-59
 

Daidalos

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At least this is possible now, and in this light not exactly a compliment for what was done by Henry Omont and Amédée Gastoué :rolleyes:
 
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Daidalos

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I freely admit that I expected more as an answer, also for the sake that we can improve the poor descriptions given at Gallica.
 

dimitrios.zaganas

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I freely admit that I expected more as an answer, also for the sake that we can improve the poor descriptions given at Gallica.

1) Gallica is providing a free access to a large number of mss., not a "description", as I have already pointed out with regard to Paris. gr. 397.
2) H. Omont have read and published the subscription of the copyist at f. 140v of the ms. 261 at 1898 (Revue des bibliothèques 8, p. 355) and suggested the date 1289. Gastoué and Astruc agreed with this reading.

Now if you (still) think it is a misreading or not trustworthy, then give us reasons, not sarcastic comments about eminent scholars..
 

Daidalos

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Dear Dimitrios Zaganas

Thank you for all these interesting references.

I was often asked to support librarians and to help them out with useful classifications. Despite the fact that I am an autodidact who learnt over the years just by doing, I admit that I could also learn a lot by studying the mistakes of eminent scholars which they did as human beings. It is true that not everybody has the specialised knowledge of Christian Hannick, Gregorios Stathis, or Enrica Follieri. Donatella Bucca created a catalogue of the Messina Collection (SS. Salvatore) which I recommend as a model, how a good catalogue should look like, if it is supposed to be of use even for non-experts (with useful facsimiles to explain her classification of notation). Of course, such a detailed description she offered would be exaggerated as an annotation of a digitised manuscript. But here are many who have the requested knowledge.

I have no doubts that also Robert Devréesse is an eminent scholar, unfortunately his catalogues of the huge Greek collections at the Vatican library are useless for those scholars who just would like to find the manuscripts of Greek liturgical music within its huge collections, since he does usually not even mention, whether a manuscript has musical notation (however you might define it). He might be very reliable to recognise certain liturgical book types, but the musical ones were tricky for him. You have to look for the famous needle in a haystack. If you will ever find yourself in such a situation, never hesitate to ask me. I also instructed the librarians there, because from time to time they have those sophisticated users who are confronted with the very problem and completely lost (at least for days, Rome is very expensive, and your time there is always limited!).

1) Like most of the databases also Gallica has a "description" (usually taken from a catalogue), if you click on the "info" symbol, and I am in a personal exchange with the National Library to improve the information given there (he is one of the authors of the more recent catalogue you liked to quote). The number of published Latin manuscripts is incredibly large, obscene large if you compare it with the number of reproductions made of the Greek collection. I can only guess what are the motives behind this "priority" (and quite frankly, I do not even want to know the real ones). Concerning the kontakarion you have now mine, even the most important bibliographical reference you will need to study the exact repertoire of this manuscript and to understand its composition.

2) Even if they were eminent scholars, none of us will hardly offend them by making up your own mind. The fact that neither Gastoué nor Omont were always very precise concerning the correct classification of the manuscript put pretty obstacles, if you even try to search among the few digitised Greek sources (I am curious who does really know, that only "sticherarium", "triodium", "menæum" are those passwords, rather than keywords, to get any reasonable search results at Gallica, but please do not draw any further conclusion until you have studied its content on your own!!!).

Another clear sign that these competences are missing in Paris, is the way certain damaged manuscripts had been bound together (see my description of ms. grec 262). I think you in Greece have no imagination, what is going on in other European libraries, sometimes Greek music manuscripts are interpreted as Greek treatises with interlinear Arabic translation!

I am here for an exchange, but if you simply leave the work to me, it might be hardly called a such, and I will no longer bother you.

Just from your quotation it becomes evident, that Henry Omont did not much care about the content and codicological evidence given by the manuscript. He had probably other interests than yours. Now before we look at the date on folio 140v, I just dare to ask why does everybody like Raasted (1966, 216) or MMB (inventory) rely so much on Omont's datation? What about other studies, the new book by Nina-Maria Wanek about the old sticheraria?

Ioan Petrescu suggested a provenance from Cyprus because there are sticheraria for the local feasts Epiphanios (May 12) and Triphyllios (June 13), but I learnt by Wanek's comparatistic study (during that period still limited to the originals she could consult in Vienna, Munich, and Athens), that the Menaion between the late 13th and 14th century is not so different and quite close to Troelsgård's SAV list, while the organisation of the Oktoechos has changed considerably between the 13th and 14th century, that you might find some hints there... Why is it so close to ms. 260 which was dated to the 14th century?

Now if you have any other relevant observations concerning scripture, notation, notated variants, and repertoire of this sticherarion which might help to support or to contradict Omont's assumed datation, I can assure you it will be most appreciated.

I just said, we are at the beginning concerning Paris, nothing more and nothing less... I hope this might encourage you to do some observations and to do something in response to the generous offer that you can download each of these manuscripts as a whole pdf. Now these are only the black-and-white microfilms, but as far as I know Gallica, a coloured reproduction will follow soon.
 
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Daidalos

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I quote from the entry "Papadikē" by Jørgen Råsted and Christian Troelsgård of the New Grove Dictionary:

The earliest version is found in a stichērarion from the year 1289, F-Pn gr. 261. Under the rubric ‘Here begin the signs of the “papadic’’ art’, the manuscript provides no less than three different lists of neumes (single and grouped neumes; neumes with interval values; and melē, rhythmical and group signs), tables of neumes combined into ascending and descending intervals, and a diagram relating the Byzantine modes to those of ancient Greece. Although this version antedates the earliest papadikai of the akolouthiai manuscripts, it already includes a major part of the elements listed below.

Jørgen Raasted and Christian Troelsgård. "Papadikē." Grove Music Online. Oxford Music Online. Oxford University Press. Web. 27 Oct. 2016. http://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/subscriber/article/grove/music/20844.

You see how many do rely on this datation (and also these authors can without any exaggeration be called "eminent scholars", and be assured I do feel a high respect for their important contributions)! Even with just a look on this microfilm I suggest, that the neume lists starting on folio 139 verso were added by a another (probably later) hand, it usually introduces the manuscript. There are sticheraria from that period which have introductions between protheoria lists in combination with Erotapokriseis quotations, introductions into psalmody, but I seriously doubt that this is the earliest example, and the kolophon follows this later entry.

There is a very similar case, since we can have a look at the microfilm of F-Pn gr. 360 with the Hagiopolites, which was dated back to the 14th century in Raasted's edition (which in my opinion is very well done, although there is a new one on its way, I doubt it will be so much better). Even on a first sight it is evident, that the manuscript was bound together with different books of different age. None of them I would date to the 14th century, the sticherarion kalophonikon at the beginning seems rather dating back to the 15th century (in my opinion), the other parts are much earlier. I would suggest that the part with the complete Hagiopolites could be dated back to the 12th century, which is the same age as the Bellermann fragments. Until that century tropologia had been still written and it seems very likely that this part could have been originally the introducing part of a tropologion. It is more than unlikely that it was the introduction to the fragment at the beginning.

Just one gaze on that microfilm makes you understand that the whole discussion about the late date of this source was quite pointless.
 
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