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Seeing this article about Theotokos and Virgin being originally composed in soft chromatic forth mode got me wondering in which mode were various hymns originally sung in. In other words, which is the most traditional/old way to chant a hymn in? I would have liked to browse the Greek Psaltologion to find my answers but my knowledge is limited to using Google Translate
VESPERS:
O Gladsome Light: second mode ending on Di or ending on Vou? In most Romanian chant books this hymn is composed in the latter.
Saturday Vespers Prokeimenon: second mode or plagal second mode? Chant books in Romania indicate one or the other but the melody is mostly the same.
Monday Vespers Prokeimenon: legetos or soft chromatic forth mode? Here in Romania we chant it in legetos but in Fr. Ephraim's scores it's composed in the latter.
ORTHOS:
Douloi Kyrion: Chanting it in all of the eight modes seems to be a new kind of thing. In which mode was it originally sung in?
By the Waters of Babylon?
Logon Agathon: legetos or agia?
Let every breath (before the gospel): second mode or the mode of the antiphonon?
Sunday Theotokion before the Doxology: second mode or the mode of the doxastica?
DIVINE LITURGY:
Typika Second Stasis: I've seen scores in grave mode and legetos but Petros Lambadarios composed it in second mode with each verse ending on Vou.
Come let us worship: second mode ending on Di or on Vou? In old printed books and manuscripts it's composed in the latter.
Anaphora: "I Will Love Thee..." and "Father, Son..." in grave mode from Ga and the rest in second mode? In an old manuscript "Father, Son..." is composed in plagal fourth triphonos which may indicate it is meant to sound like grave mode.
One is Holy: recited in kliton or second mode? I do both ways.
We have seen the True Light: second mode ending on Vou or ending on Di with a conclusion/final cadence formula?
Let our mouths be filled: second mode or nenano? I saw an article stating that traditionally it was sung in nenano not second mode.
I will bless the Lord (for the Presanctified Liturgy): second or plagal second?
Any hymns I missed?
I would be grateful if we could have a discussion about this subject. This would be very helpful especially for a beginner-to-intermediate psalte like me.
In Christ,
tranastionetrimpr
Seeing this article about Theotokos and Virgin being originally composed in soft chromatic forth mode got me wondering in which mode were various hymns originally sung in. In other words, which is the most traditional/old way to chant a hymn in? I would have liked to browse the Greek Psaltologion to find my answers but my knowledge is limited to using Google Translate
VESPERS:
O Gladsome Light: second mode ending on Di or ending on Vou? In most Romanian chant books this hymn is composed in the latter.
Saturday Vespers Prokeimenon: second mode or plagal second mode? Chant books in Romania indicate one or the other but the melody is mostly the same.
Monday Vespers Prokeimenon: legetos or soft chromatic forth mode? Here in Romania we chant it in legetos but in Fr. Ephraim's scores it's composed in the latter.
ORTHOS:
Douloi Kyrion: Chanting it in all of the eight modes seems to be a new kind of thing. In which mode was it originally sung in?
By the Waters of Babylon?
Logon Agathon: legetos or agia?
Let every breath (before the gospel): second mode or the mode of the antiphonon?
Sunday Theotokion before the Doxology: second mode or the mode of the doxastica?
DIVINE LITURGY:
Typika Second Stasis: I've seen scores in grave mode and legetos but Petros Lambadarios composed it in second mode with each verse ending on Vou.
Come let us worship: second mode ending on Di or on Vou? In old printed books and manuscripts it's composed in the latter.
Anaphora: "I Will Love Thee..." and "Father, Son..." in grave mode from Ga and the rest in second mode? In an old manuscript "Father, Son..." is composed in plagal fourth triphonos which may indicate it is meant to sound like grave mode.
One is Holy: recited in kliton or second mode? I do both ways.
We have seen the True Light: second mode ending on Vou or ending on Di with a conclusion/final cadence formula?
Let our mouths be filled: second mode or nenano? I saw an article stating that traditionally it was sung in nenano not second mode.
I will bless the Lord (for the Presanctified Liturgy): second or plagal second?
Any hymns I missed?
I would be grateful if we could have a discussion about this subject. This would be very helpful especially for a beginner-to-intermediate psalte like me.
In Christ,
tranastionetrimpr
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